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Mkinger451
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 Posted - 02/12/2006 : 07:10:24
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Despite the weather reports, I made a 4 hour drive from Albany NY to Long Island for the 2/11 ROH show. Yes I was suckered in by the hype. I was planning on going for Ki/Strong and then backed off going when Ki quit and then got sucked into the hardsell and speculation surrounding the event as it was hyped as a "can't miss" event.
The opened the show by announcing no Homicide,Shelly, or Lethal b/c TNA pulled them but that Strong and Aries chose ROH over TNA and would be there. They hyped the refund stip that you could get a full refund after three matches. Absolutely nothing was announced for the show.
First match started out as Pelle Primeau and Mitch Franklin. Adam Pearce hit the ring before they could lock up. He talked about seizing opportunity. Primeau called him a 70's throwback and Pearce smacked them both with the mic. He slapped them a round a bit, hi spinebusters on both before pinning them both with a splash off the top. Pearce then took a seat at ringside. I thought the whole top guy beating up two little guys reeked of WWF booking but at least there was some promise with Pearce at ringside.
Smokes and Grim Reefer came out to challenge Cabana. It was Punk who answered the challenge (I personally thought it wasn't as big of a pop as I would've expected) and told Smokes he wanted the Rots and Cabana to end their feud. Pearce jumped Punk and Cabana ran him off. Punk told Cabana he was worried about him and wanted the old Cabana back. Cabana told Punk he didn't need his help. Punk mentioned that he had his gear and if anyone had a problem with him he would fight them. Punk left, Cabana called out Reefer and he snuck though the back of the building to attack Cabana leading to...
Second match Cabana and Reefer. It was a pretty good match and Reefer hit a bunch of cool looking moves but in the end, its not like anyone thought Reefer had a chance to win. Cabana got him with a lariat.
Third match was Ricky Reyes and Kid Mikaze. Basic squash. Reyes kept looking at his wrist as to check the time. Mikaze got a hope spot or two but Reyes caught him quickly in the dragon sleeper for the win.
At this point, it was the third match and really no other matches had been announced. I really think had the entire card been announced that more people would have taken the refund. Between the weather and the show itself, a bunch of people left before the main event was over.
Fourth match was Aries and Nigel. I thought this was the match of the night. Aries kicked out of the Tower of London twice and Nigel kicked out of the 450. Nigel spent much of the match blocking a lot of Aries signature moves (headscissor escape dropkick combo and hop over the ropes in the corner/elbow combo) and working on Aries arm. Eventually both men were out of rope breaks, they exchanged some near falls. Aries hit the 450 but Nigel kicked out and locked on a submission. Aries was in the ropes but out of breaks and tapped.
Strong came out for a promo demanding a title shot which brought out BJ Whitmer. Now, if anyone has ever read any of my posts... I am not Whitmer's biggest fan but he did a really good promo talking about letting guys pass him by and now he was going to step it up. He challenged Strong for the number one contendership and Strong agreed. Danielson came out and he and Strong had a good looking pull apart until Nana came out. Nana talked about still having a title shot and brought out Xavier to (IMO) a big groan...
Danielson/Xavier for the title. Xavier looked huge. Decent match, nothing special. Danielson had Xavier in cattle mutilation and Rave interfered for DQ. (another groan for the cheap finish...especially with Xavier) Punk made the save. Pearce came out and he and Rave and Xavier left Punk/Dragon laying. On the way out someone hit Nana in the head with TP as he was about to go under the ropes and he fell on his ass...very funny. Punk asked Dragon to team with him against Pearce/Rave. This got such a poor response he had to repeat it again to get the crowd to cheer it. A few people around me said "bull**** main event" and "refund" Dragon asked the crowd if they wanted to see it and got a slightly negative response which only served to confuse things. Eventually he agreed to team with Punk
Intermission
Four Corner Survival: Jimmy Yang, Jerelle Clark, Jason Blade, and Azriel. I thought this was a pretty good high flying match. Jerelle Clark was spectacular...I can't believe TNA can't find a spot for him in the X division. Blade looked really good as well. But as with most of the matches, there was really no drama as to who the winner would be. Yang hits Yang time on Clark for the win and slips on the ropes doing his post match celebration.
Strong/Whitmer...good hard hitting match but again no drama as to the winner. I missed a lot of this b/c it was on the floor and I was sitting behind a guy with perhaps the biggest head I've ever seen. Strong wins with a doctor bomb. After the match Whitmer refuses to shake hands.
Main Event: Punk/Dragon vs. Pearce/Rave...very long old school tag match with Pearce/Rave getting the heat on Dragon. Lots of moves you wouldn't expect like a doomsday device on dragon. Punk got the hot tag and made the comeback. Dragon did a sick flip into the fourth row onto the heels. Punk worked very hard in this match but he and Pearce badly botched a huracanrana spot near the finish that took the crowd down a few notches. Punk caught Rave in the anaconda vice and after a long time Rave tapped.
Overall: While I understand why it happened and the fact that everything was booked on the fly, it doesn't change the fact that this was a real lackluster show. I felt like I was watching RAW with better wrestling.... from the squash of the cruisers, to the way the main event was set up it just didnt really feel like an ROH show.. Punk's booking was really not very good and while nothing was bad you could easily predict the winners of every match. Out of 7 matches...two were squashes and three featured non-regular performers so very little was furthered from a storyline standpoint as well. The crowd was dead for most of the night and Strong,Punk, Danielson seemed a little upset by how hard they had to work just to get a chant or some clapping going. I know its not the performers fault either but its tough on the fans when you hype a show so much and you get one of the worst shows in ROH history.
Even if the TNA guys all showed up, I don't think CM Punk's return for one night after being gone for only six months would've qualified as something you'd never forgive yourself for missing (and that's exactly how the show was hyped) I was even more pissed since I drove 4 hours to get there and 6 hours to get home b/c of the snow.
It will be interesting to see how ROH is booked in the future b/c almost all of their pushed guys are under TNA contract. It seems funny that TNA would even prevent a guy like Lethal from appearing when he is a glorified jobber there. Looks like all this ROH/TNA stuff will be starting over again. I anticipate a lot of the TNA regs getting phased down and guys like Cabana, Jimmy Yang, Whitmer, Pearce, Rave, and Castagnoli getting bigger pushes. |
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rrg251
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Posted - 02/12/2006 : 08:10:21
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| At least they didn't deliberately wait until the refund offer had expired to break the news that several superstars were not at the show. I for one would have taken the refund after I learned that we would not be getting the "guaranteed" Dragon/Shelly match. The refund wouldn't exactly have made up for the money it took to get to the show, but it would have made for a nice start. They should still make it up to the fans from last night by offering either a discount or free Do Or Die show the next time they're in Long Island. |
Edited by - rrg251 on 02/12/2006 08:15:55 |
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xXx The Prophecy
USA
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Posted - 02/12/2006 : 08:47:55
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| If I would have known the rest of the card, I would have left. I felt that something important might happen after the 3rd match still and so I hung around. Nigel McGuinness/Austin Aries was very good and will come off as even better on tape. Rest of the show was meh to not so meh. I wasn't a fan of the main event until the very end as for a good portion of it, it was just boring. I'm not really mad at ROH because I know they did what they could with the little they had and that's cool. I just wish I would have known the rest of the card in advance. |
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Panzer
Ghana
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Posted - 02/12/2006 : 09:25:32
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Originally posted by rrg251
At least they didn't deliberately wait until the refund offer had expired to break the news that several superstars were not at the show. I for one would have taken the refund after I learned that we would not be getting the "guaranteed" Dragon/Shelly match. The refund wouldn't exactly have made up for the money it took to get to the show, but it would have made for a nice start. They should still make it up to the fans from last night by offering either a discount or free Do Or Die show the next time they're in Long Island.
You been on the board what a day? |
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rrg251
247 Posts |
Posted - 02/12/2006 : 10:14:27
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| More like a twelfth of a day |
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Tree
Burkina Faso (Upper Volta)
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Posted - 02/12/2006 : 12:18:43
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Originally posted by rrg251
At least they didn't deliberately wait until the refund offer had expired to break the news that several superstars were not at the show. I for one would have taken the refund after I learned that we would not be getting the "guaranteed" Dragon/Shelly match. The refund wouldn't exactly have made up for the money it took to get to the show, but it would have made for a nice start. They should still make it up to the fans from last night by offering either a discount or free Do Or Die show the next time they're in Long Island.
load. of. crap.
card is subject to change, and it always is. no wrestling promotion owes anyone anything once you buy a ticket. but ROH, which always delivers, actually did offer a refund, which if you chose not to take it, was your own decision. |
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ROHFan in SW Ohio
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Posted - 02/12/2006 : 12:48:29
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Originally posted by Tree
load. of. crap.
card is subject to change, and it always is. no wrestling promotion owes anyone anything once you buy a ticket. but ROH, which always delivers, actually did offer a refund, which if you chose not to take it, was your own decision.
Thank you Tree! It's about time someone said it. If I were to buy a ticket to a Bengals game and then during the week of the game Carson Palmer, Chad Johnson, Rudi Johnson and Odell Thurman were taken out of the game due to injuries (Assume Kimo von Oelhoffen was in Cincy for a few days... I'm kidding)
Would the Bengals or the NFL offer me a refund? No.
Should they offer me a refund? No.
Do I have ANY right to EXPECT a refund? No.
Would I still go to the game? Absolutely.
By offering a refund, ROH went above and beyond the call of duty. Once you do not accept that refund, you cannot claim a right that you no longer have. |
Edited by - ROHFan in SW Ohio on 02/12/2006 12:50:50 |
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rjmc101
East Timor
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Posted - 02/12/2006 : 12:52:40
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ROH offered so much to the fans of Long Island last night, and everyong who actually went to the show seemed to have a good time.
The only people bitching are the kids on this board who don't even know how the show went because they weren't there! Buy the DVD, or don't buy the DVD. It's your choice. |
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rrg251
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Posted - 02/12/2006 : 13:57:47
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You're all right when you say that ROH technically fulfilled all its obligations (and even made an unexpectedly generous move by offering refunds) and the fans have no right to demand more of them. But is ROH really in the position to be content with that? Any promotion can say that they gave the fans what they paid for. But what usually gives ROH its greatness is its ability to say that they deliver so much more.
Let's say I go to a bar one night and I pay for three drinks and I get three drinks. Okay, that's fair, no problem. But the next night I go to another bar and pay for three drinks again, only this time the bartender lets me have a fourth for free. Which of these bars am I likely to go back to on the third night? Obviously, it would be the second because I had gotten a better value for my money. And the first bar would lose my business, even though it had given me exactly what I paid for.
ROH can't afford to be like the first bar. The card, venue, and performers all need to go above and beyond simply "what we paid for" in order to keep us coming back and spreading word-of-mouth |
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DiggetyDog46
Swaziland
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Posted - 02/12/2006 : 14:07:20
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| So, did anyone notice how many people (if any) actually went up and asked for refunds? |
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The Gnat
Republic of Korea
675 Posts |
Posted - 02/12/2006 : 14:12:02
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| I think it would've been nice for Gen Next/Saints to be for the tag titles. That would've really cemented Gen Next as one of the top teams in ROH history. |
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ROHFan in SW Ohio
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Posted - 02/12/2006 : 14:12:40
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Originally posted by rrg251
Let's say I go to a bar one night and I pay for three drinks and I get three drinks. Okay, that's fair, no problem. But the next night I go to another bar and pay for three drinks again, only this time the bartender lets me have a fourth for free. Which of these bars am I likely to go back to on the third night? Obviously, it would be the second because I had gotten a better value for my money. And the first bar would lose my business, even though it had given me exactly what I paid for.
Good point.
However, my point would be that if the first bar offered you that 4th drink free and you declined, you cannot go back at a later time and expect that free drink. |
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Tree
Burkina Faso (Upper Volta)
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Posted - 02/12/2006 : 14:55:09
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Originally posted by rrg251
Let's say I go to a bar one night and I pay for three drinks and I get three drinks. Okay, that's fair, no problem. But the next night I go to another bar and pay for three drinks again, only this time the bartender lets me have a fourth for free. Which of these bars am I likely to go back to on the third night? Obviously, it would be the second because I had gotten a better value for my money. And the first bar would lose my business, even though it had given me exactly what I paid for.
ROH can't afford to be like the first bar. The card, venue, and performers all need to go above and beyond simply "what we paid for" in order to keep us coming back and spreading word-of-mouth
actually, if you're going to a bar where the bartender isn't buying every fourth round or so, you need to find a better bar.
but, using your example. let's say the first bar offers you three, good, strong drinks, using top shelf liquor. and the second bar offers your four-rounds-for-three deal, using crappy well drinks, with rotgut liquor.
which would you go to? the bar where you pay a tad more, but get much better quality drinks?
or the cheaper place, where the drinks are utter crap? |
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rrg251
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Posted - 02/12/2006 : 15:42:55
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| I can't say I blame you for thinking that way. ROH has a style and roster all its own. But in my analogy, all the drinks are the same and cost the same. The second bar is the better deal, plain and simple. The quantity of drinks is symbolic of the quality of the ROH product. The point is that ROH doesn't want to put themselves in a position where they can be easily one-upped. |
Edited by - rrg251 on 02/12/2006 15:46:14 |
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Zoych
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Posted - 02/12/2006 : 16:21:01
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| Most ROH shows are Bud. Last nights show was Bud Light. |
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titans1127
USA
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Posted - 02/12/2006 : 16:26:18
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Originally posted by Mkinger451
Danielson/Xavier for the title. Xavier looked huge. Decent match, nothing special. Danielson had Xavier in cattle mutilation and Rave interfered for DQ. (another groan for the cheap finish...especially with Xavier) Punk made the save. Pearce came out and he and Rave and Xavier left Punk/Dragon laying. On the way out someone hit Nana in the head with TP as he was about to go under the ropes and he fell on his ass...very funny. Punk asked Dragon to team with him against Pearce/Rave. This got such a poor response he had to repeat it again to get the crowd to cheer it. A few people around me said "bull**** main event" and "refund" Dragon asked the crowd if they wanted to see it and got a slightly negative response which only served to confuse things. Eventually he agreed to team with Punk
Im glad someone finally acknowledged my TP hitting Nana in the head. It was sooo funny the way he sold it although I never intended to hit him there. Its also funny cause me and my friends kept taunting Nana with the TP the whole match and tried to ignore it and then during intermission while waiting on the food line Nana came ou from the locker room to talk friendly with a security guy and before he left I made the Embassy symbol and said "Embassy forever" and he did it back to me and seemed to forget about the us and the TP although he didnt know I hit him since he wasn't looking when i hit him. |
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